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This is a discussion on Official Chrome Themes? within the Chrome Themes section, part of the Google Chrome category: @sarjoor As an unbiased 'user ' I have been using themes (dll) designed/developed by people on this forum (and other ...


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    @sarjoor

    As an unbiased 'user' I have been using themes (dll) designed/developed by people on this forum (and other sites) virtually since day one ...

    If we had waited for Google to provide the tools we would all still be using the default theme ...

    Its a bit like extensions ...

    The reason we are on the dev channel in the first place is to be at the forefront of what Google has to offer in terms of Chrome ...

    OK, so every now and again a theme or an extension 'blows up' (actually a good way of knowing Chrome has been updated), but hey what the heck, it's no major thing in the 'grand scheme of things' ...

    As for hacking, I doubt whether the themes that have been created (rather beautifully imo) have their origins in the Chrome default dll ...

    Certainly the crx versions that you will find here, came a long time before Google got its 'act together'

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarjoor View Post
    Responding to Stamga:
    1. Having to code for the images to work.
    If you consider simply typing image names into a text file "coding", well...... that's the simplest and easiest coding you can do. And this is much more preferable than having to modify resources decoded from the default.dll and reencoding in afterwards.
    Might as well learn to copy a file, no?


    Quote Originally Posted by sarjoor View Post
    == BTW, creating a .dll file is not considered "hacking".
    Even if you were "create" a new .dll file that modifies the working functionality of another company's (eg. Google's) software without authorization or official documentation or support, yes, that is hacking.
    Then I guess I hack almost every other software I have on my pc..


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    Mute point here ...

    But as Chrome is derived from Chromium which is Open Source (and all this GNU stuff that I don't understand !!) I don't think anybody is actually 'hacking' anything ;-)

    Actually 'sarjoor' is a little bit of beam in his use of the word 'hacking' ...

    In common computer terms a 'hacker' is ...

    "someone who breaks into computers, usually by gaining access to administrative controls", nothing what so ever to do with code ...

    However in the programmer subculture a 'hacker' is ...

    "A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and stretching their capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary".

    IMO you Guys (and Gals) fit nicely into the second category ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stamga View Post
    Might as well learn to copy a file, no?
    Copying the default.dll is straightforward, but the important thing is that method is unofficial and undocumented and potentially subject to change. That's the important issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stamga View Post
    Then I guess I hack almost every other software I have on my pc..
    Yeah, sounds like you probably do hack almost all your software. If it works, then good for you. But if it ever blows up, you've also only got yourself to blame.

    Quote Originally Posted by StevePaul View Post
    But as Chrome is derived from Chromium which is Open Source I don't think anybody is actually 'hacking' anything ;-)
    Which is exactly where the difference is, StevePaul. Chromium is open source, and is explicitly stated for open development and modification. Chrome is Google's branded and copyrighted browser, and although based on Chromium, unauthorized functional modifications to Chrome is hacking.

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    However in the programmer subculture a 'hacker' is ...
    "A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and stretching their capabilities
    Exactly! And such hackers all know that any changes and/or modifications that result from such exploring and/or stretching, if done to another company's software without authorization or documentation, are always unofficial hacks.

    And the problem is further magnified when such hacks are published as procedures to achieve some result. If the users who apply such hacks know they are hacks, that's fine; they are responsible for their unofficial mods. But what about users who follow such procedures and think they are just performing a configuration change, but don't realize they are achieving the result because they are following a hacking procedure? And then what if something goes wrong and such users don't realize they themselves could be at fault since they have hacked their software?

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    Copying the default.dll is straightforward, but the important thing is that method is unofficial and undocumented and potentially subject to change. That's the important issue.
    the user can always make a backup of the original theme (as recommended) before applying the new theme

    undocumented ? take a peep here
    http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrom...rd?view=markup

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    Quote Originally Posted by sulasno View Post
    @sulasno, yes, undocumented, as in the procedure to modify the default.dll has never been officially documented nor supported to be modified this way.

    The source file link you point to is for the 211 branch. You can also get the latest version by replacing "branches/211" in the URL with "trunk". However, none of that is documentation for the procedure to modify the default.dll as has been done to get hacked themes to work.

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    sarjoor, tell me what do you want from us?
    do you want to stop people from making default.dll themes? this is not going to happen, not untill official themes would allow to modify every important part of the interface.
    or maybe you just want to make people stop downloading default.dll themes? your approach is based on the fact that default.dll customization is undocumented. i dont think that this would stop someone who found a theme with an appealing look.
    do not use them, use crx. they are documented! lol
    Last edited by pcki11; 09-17-2009 at 11:29 AM.

    theme for 2.0.172.43 / 4.0.206.1

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    Tonight I'm gonna show you guys what my Aero theme would look like as a .crx theme. Then you'll see why I don't make my themes in that format.


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    the best person to ask would be VoyD;
    initially he created his Toon theme in crx; but now he is using default.dll
    basically his theme consists of only buttons
    and yet he is using dll instead of crx
    obviously he must have a good reason to use default.dll

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    @sarjoor

    Are you a Google policeman in disguise ?

    I'm with pcki11 on this, what exactly is the point of your comments ?

    As you may have gathered by now (I hope you have) a hell of a lot of the users on this forum are on the dev channel and as such relish the challenge of being able to explore the possibilities available with extensions and themes (hacked ? or otherwise) ...

    I'm just wondering whether you have had this discussion with the thousands of people that use FF ...

    Last point ...

    As you seem to think anything innovative is an 'unnofficial hack', by your rules you can have an 'official hack' which I think is a bit of a contradiction in terms !!

    However thanks for your comments, it certainly sparked a lively conversation, if a little pointless ...

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