@Stamga

As one of your most avid fans, I don't need convincing ;-)

Originally Posted by pcki11

sarjoor, tell me what do you want from us?
do you want to stop people from making default.dll themes? this is not going to happen, not untill official themes would allow to modify every important part of the interface.

Yes, I think what I'm saying is it's not good to continue making default.dll themes. @StevePaul, I'm not a Google anybody. I just don't like using hacks if I don't need to. I agree and also wish that official themes will allow modification of everything as well!

Originally Posted by pcki11

do not use them, use crx. they are documented! lol

I'm sure that's just a joke. Of course the very reason users should use crx themes is because they are the officially documented and supported method to install themes.

Originally Posted by StevePaul

the users on this forum ... relish the challenge of being able to explore the possibilities available with extensions and themes (hacked ? or otherwise) ...

I'm just wondering whether you have had this discussion with the thousands of people that use FF ...

You raise a good distinction, StevePaul. After all those challenges and explorations, do any resulting methods and/or functions use undocumented or unsupported features or not? That is exactly the distinction that makes them hacks or otherwise.

I have discussed this with Firefox developers (not users); same deal. Does any challenges and explorations with Firefox, including plugins, involve methods and/or functions that use undocumented or unsupported features? The same distinction between hacks or acceptable third-party plugins also exists for Firefox.

Originally Posted by StevePaul

As you seem to think anything innovative is an 'unnofficial hack', by your rules you can have an 'official hack' which I think is a bit of a contradiction in terms !!

Yes, I wrote "unofficial hack" together just to emphasize my point. You can remove one of the words without changing the meaning. I do not mean to imply there are "official hacks".

Although, sometimes "official hacks" do occur on some occasions. That's usually when an author/company recognizes a problem with their software but due to many factors, is impractical or unable to directly solve the problem, or unable to solve it the "right way". Then procedures such as "temporary workaround, disable this or that" or remove/rename/copy/modify/update this or that can be considered an "official hack" if such info is officially and publicly provided by the originating author/company of the software.

Originally Posted by sarjoor

Yes, I think what I'm saying is it's not good to continue making default.dll themes. @StevePaul, I'm not a Google anybody. I just don't like using hacks if I don't need to. I agree and also wish that official themes will allow modification of everything as well!

ok, so you dont like it. and since when did you start to define your personal likings as good and bad for everybody? following your logic, rap should be banned from the radio since i dont like it.
there are thousands of websites dedicated to customization, and i think the developers whose software is being customized should only be happy to recieve more users, attracted by "hacked" designs.

Originally Posted by sarjoor

I'm sure that's just a joke. Of course the very reason users should use crx themes is because they are the officially documented and supported method to install themes.

yeah, it was. in my humble opinion, the only reason a user should install any theme using one way or another, is because he likes it. strange, i know o_O

I think this needs to come to an end ...

We're just going round and round in circles ...

I think the best advice I can give here is that you do what you feel is ethically right (by your standards) and leave the rest of us to carry on 'hacking' away to our hearts content ...

To be honest I'm not exactly going to lose any sleep over it and I would suggest neither are the other 99.999999% of users on this forum ;-)

sarjoor,

Your opinion about making default dll's for Google chrome is irrelevant. What the internet has taught the world is the importance of user input and attention. Users creating themes for Chrome using the google products provides value. It creates interest. It opens eyes and creativity.

Some people prefer the default theme. They don't think it's ugly. Thats their opinion and they don't fiddle with changing the theme.

It appears to me that your use of the word "hack" is meant to demean the work being done and isn't constructive.

Yes,you're correct in that changing the default dll isn't user friendly. But it's not illegal. It's not taking value away from Google. It provides google chrome more value and interest not less. Hackers remove value. They are either stealing products reducing revenues or they are attempting to sabotage others work for a variety of reasons.

None of that is taking place with the creation of new themes. The fact that you're here talking about changing the default dll being a "hack" proves my point about interest creation and value.

Look.

- If you want good, graphically enhanced themes, use .dlls.

- If you want color styles, use .crxs.

You choose which one is good and which one is bad.


Agreeing with StevePaul, Thread is closed.